Oooh man. Sometimes I don't have the patience to deal with people that just don't seem to get it. It's like they are unable to focus in on the real issues. Here is a response from a commenter to my original post about my question to Hilary Clinton.
"You throw out that 15% like it's a tiny group of people. It's 45 million. 45 MILLION PEOPLE! And your point is that you're okay with 45 MILLION PEOPLE not having healthcare because you're worried that the richest people in this country might not have it as good as they have it now. The newest irony in your rambling is that part of the frame of your original question to Senator Clinton included the ridiculous premise that any kind of socialized/nationalized healthcare system would hurt blacks the most, blacks who make up a disproportionate percentage of those in poverty, yet now you make the case that it's better that they have no healthcare at all if providing them with healthcare might incovenience a few hundred millionaires. The selfishness of your position is astounding. I wish I could say it's unexpected, but selfishness coming from the right never is."
THIS IS JUST PLAIN ANNOYING!
I'm posting this in addition to the reply I will send this gentleman, so that everyone else can get it straight and clear. In truth I almost don't even know where to begin. I think I'll start with the most numerous assertion about Conservatives or anyone else oppossing different social programs. That I'm being selfish. The truth of the matter is that supporters of a national health system are in fact the selfish ones. How's that?
It's simple. In order to cover the 15% (45 MILLION PEOPLE) who don't have insurance, supporters of national (read socilized medicine) health care wish to scrap our current system, which provides the best health care in the world to 85% (255 MILLION PEOPLE), so that 100% of the people can then have substandard health care.
Let me put it in another context. Let's change the subject from health care to food. Let's say that 15% of the population was starving, and 85% percent of the country was not. And Senator Clinton had a program that would pay for everyone, but the only problem is that the food would be slightly rotten. Should we do it? Would that be a good thing? Yeah, I know you're saying right now that I'm being silly. But the point I'm trying to make is that you don't support programs that don't work. It seems to me that supporters of socialized medicine are more concerned about who's covered, even if its substandard health care. Or they don't think the quality will decrease.
People, people. The systems we are talking about DO NOT FREAKIN WORK! Both Canada and Britain are smaller than our country, have higher taxes than our country, and still people are waiting in line for important life saving procedures. Oh excuse me, let me be exact. Poor and financially strapped people are waiting. The rich, and affluent in Canada and Britain don't wait. They get in a plane and fly to the US. The economically disavantaged in those countries do not have that choice. Do you think that will change in the USA? No, it will not.
Nationalized health care would be a nightmare for many African-Americans and the poor in general. Why? Because they will wait. They will wait and die. Now am I using hyperbole with that last statement, yes but I'm doing so to make a point. Explain to me how having health care insurance is good if you have to wait three months or more for an MRI, or for a surgical procedure? The 45 million people don't need health care. What they need is:
1. Health care that works
2. Health care that gets them services without long waits
3. Health care that is high in quality
Clinton's plan does not do any of those things. The examples of countries she is using as models are having problems with those three issues, and the governments are dealing with the huge costs to their budgets.
Imagine this scenario. Grandma Taylor has an income that is low, but has a family rich in love. She needs surgery. It must be done soon, or her condition will worsen; maybe she has cancer, maybe it's a heart condition. She is worried about the surgery, but glad that President Clinton (god forbid) has rammed through national health care and so she does not have too worry about the costs. She goes to the scheduling desk and the nurse tells her they will not be able to perform the surgery for four months. What does she do? How will her grandchildren and family feel and deal with the stress of knowing that grandma may die as she waits for her surgery date?
I want you think on this hard people, because this is what is happening in Canada and Britain right now today. You want an idea, a smigden of what I'm talking about? Click here to see what a Canadian doctor has to say about socialized medicine.
Look, what is the mantra people? Logic before emotion. Here is the logic. If a program does not work, then a copy of the program will not work. This has nothing to do with rich versus poor. Most people who have health insurance are not rich. So to say that opponents of socialized medicine are selfish and worried about rich people is untrue, and nonsensical. We're worried about ruining the best health care system on the planet. if you wish to alter or add to the system in order to get those 45 million people covered, then let's make it a plan that actually works. A plan that does not involve the government paying for it all or even a large portion of it. We have one federal program like that already--Medicare--and it's having problems even now. Ditto for state medicaid programs. My opposition to this is because of the problems these programs have in the countries with them. Problems that will be compounded because of the size of our country. My question to Clinton is about why she is insisting on a program that has all types of issues. I ask the same question to all that support it.